The revolution continues! Warfare on the ground and sea will be heavily affected by megawatt-class lasers in the next two decades or so.
And, as we'll see, there are transformative applications in industry, energy generation, transportation and remote sensing.Beams on the ground
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Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser, based on unsuccessful DF reactants |
Ground warfare would also be affected by a laser revolution. So far, megawatt-scale lasers have been described as efficient weapons that can reach out into space, burn down massed missile strikes, take out aircraft from extreme range and even catch re-entering ICBM warheads. They’re terrifying too: 532 nm is definitely not eye-safe, and with megawatts involved, mere reflections are enough to destroy retinas from kilometers away. In fact, they’d be starting fires everywhere. A successful beam defence of a city or forest may leave it a burnt-down wasteland if many precautions aren’t taken. But does this mean that they are supreme weapons effective in all domains? Let’s work it out in ground warfare.
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MTU 1975, sporting a 30 kW CO2 laser |
A laser weapon as described previously, with a 1 MW output at 532 nm, focused by a 1m diameter mirror, actually fares poorly against armored targets. At the tightest practical spot diameter of 1 cm, it produces an intensity of 12,730 MW/m^2 or 1273 kW/cm^2, and it can maintain this focus out to a range of 10 km. It’s enough to bore through 19 cm/s of steel, 21 cm/s of silicon carbide, 46 cm/s of depleted uranium and 273 cm/s of high density plastic. These are the typical materials of tank armor.
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Damaged M1150 Assault Breacher (Based on M1A1 Abrams tank) revealing inner armor layers |
The heaviest US tank in service is the M1A2 Abram SEP v2, weighing over 66 tons. Its strongest armor is in the turret cheeks, adding up to around 3.8 + 10.1: 13.9 cm of steel, interspaced with NERA elements made of 80 cm of plastic or rubber sandwiched between thin plates. Together, with sloping, we get a line-of-sight thickness of roughly 18.3 cm of steel plus 105 cm of rubber.
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Leopard 2A4 turret armor estimation |
The nearly as-heavy Challenger 3 TD has sloped turret cheeks protected by 45 cm of steel and 72 cm of NERA plastic. A T-80BVM has 36 cm of steel with a 12 cm quartz core while Russia’s newest T-14 Armata is thought to have its hull front protected by 65 cm of combined steel and NERA plates. The details of these armor schemes are secret, but as rough estimates this is sufficient.
A 1 MW laser beam focused onto a 1 cm spot could bore through the strongest armor of the heaviest tanks in about 1.02 - 2.6 seconds. Weaker front armor, like the M1A2 Abram’s 6.7 cm thick steel turret ring or the 8.5 cm thick lower hull plate of the Challenger 3 would only stand up to a 1 MW beam for 0.35 - 0.4 seconds. Thankfully, they are smaller targets that can be easy to hide with proper use of terrain.
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T-80 in hull-down position |
That incredible performance is however a ‘laboratory conditions’ result where the beam can be accurately held onto a +/- 0.5 cm point, over a target that isn’t moving, bouncing around on its suspension, nor rotating its turret in response to blaring Laser Warning System alarms. In realistic conditions, the smallest movements would move the laser to a new cm-sized spot of armor, restarting the drilling from zero.
It also ignores the aspect ratio limitations of the hole created by the laser.
A meter deep but 1 cm wide hole has an aspect ratio of 100. A much more realistic result of laser drilling in unprepared outdoor conditions is a 10:1 ratio, meaning that the hole will widen to 10 cm before it reaches a depth of 1 meter. So, the actual amount of material that needs to be vaporized and removed to drill through 1 meter of armor layers is 10^2: 100x, so the actual drilling time is around 102 - 260 seconds.
Combined with the armor moving underneath the beam, we have to conclude that a 1 MW laser weapon cannot reliably defeat the best armor of a tank, and it would take very prolonged firing to deal damage unless it gets very lucky to cross paths with a frontal weak-spot. During that time, the tank will either be moving to cover or firing back. The laser turret itself would have to be stationary to maintain sufficient accuracy, making it even more vulnerable to counter-attack.
At far engagement ranges of 10 km+, the laser will be firing first. The tank may respond by firing its longest range weapon, which in the case of the T-90M’s 125mm cannon is the 3UBK21 Sprinter ATGM with 12 km range.
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The older gun-launched ATGM 9М119 Refleks has a shorter 5km max range |
At that distance, the laser has over 30 seconds to find, track and delete incoming ATGMs travelling around Mach 1. It takes several minutes for the tank to be defeated, unless it knows to reverse away from the beam while wiggling its turret and swerving with its hull until it dips behind solid cover. It can assist its retreat with smoke launchers.
At medium ranges of 2 - 4 km, the tank and the laser turret would probably find and fire on each other at the same time. The laser takes several minutes to reliably destroy a tank from the front, while the tank can fire a high velocity projectile through its main gun. Modern APFSDS rounds are made of tungsten and travel at 1500-1800 m/s, so there is no chance for a laser to do anything about it.
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A Challenger 2 managed a tank kill at 10.5 km, supplanting the previous 4.7 km record by a Challenger 1 |
Worse, the laser turret is a big piece of fragile optical equipment held up high for a better field of view - protecting it the amount of damage needed to destroy it is nearly impossible. At these ranges, a conventional MBT has a strong advantage over lasers.
At shorter ranges, it is a question of luck. Does the laser find the tank in a compromising position, unaware or unable to react, and will it quickly bore a channel through its armor? Or does the tank find the laser first and disable it with whatever ammunition is loaded in its main gun or secondary weapons?
A laser encountering a tank’s side armor is a very different situation. Modern MBTs are protected by layers worth 5-10 cm of steel, which can be penetrated in a less than half of a second. The hull cannot be rotated as easily as the turret, and drilling a hole with a low aspect ratio is no problem for a laser. A tank caught out of position by such a beam would be defenceless.
Even so, the damage dealt by a laser is much less than what would happen if a tank is struck by a kinetic weapon or HEAT jet. The result of a laser drilling a hole through armor is… a hole.
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X-ray hitcam from 'Gunner HEAT PC' showing the post-penetration damage from an APFSDS round striking an M60A3 turret |
There are few ‘post-penetration’ effects to devastate the tank’s interior: no spalling, no hypervelocity fragments nor internal explosions. The beam, once inside, creates an incapacitating shockwave and adds heat that can directly burn occupants in the beam’s path, ignite fuel or set off ammunition reserves, but it has to directly touch these elements to cause damage.
Continuous fire for repeated penetrations is needed to incapacitate a tank, like poking a teddy bear with a needle. In that scenario, it is not particularly better than a large autocannon with armor piercing rounds.
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Fearless M2 Bradley IFV engaging a T-90M with a 25mm autocannon |
A Bradley IFV could aim a 25 mm Bushmaster loaded with APDS rounds at the side of MBTs and easily penetrate at ranges up to 2 km. A Swedish CV9040 IFV with its 40mm autocannon can penetrate MBT side armor from over 3 km.
To summarize, tanks are resistant enough to megawatt lasers that they cannot be used as a main weapon against them. In situations where they are effective, they do not perform better than smaller, cheaper existing weapons.
Big lasers actually make tanks more important on the battlefield.
By serving as efficient air defences out to extreme ranges, they can take out one of the biggest threats to tanks: air power.
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Multi-layered air defence combining lasers and missiles. |
Today's drone swarms have been reported as the 'death of the tank', while footage of tank columns being destroyed by Hellfire ATGMs and cluster bombs during the Iraq War highlighted how vulnerable tanks could be to air power. Protection from these threats, exaggerated as they may be, can only restore the threat that tanks pose on the battlefield.
Against lighter vehicles, the 1 MW laser is a menace. MT-LBs, BTR-80s, Strykers or Warriors would melt against such beams. The M3 Bradley has about 40 to 60 mm of aluminium protecting it; this would last about 0.05s under fire. Heavier vehicles like the Puma IFV, T-15 Armata or Namer APC with just as much armor as MBTs would be necessary to survive. The presence of megawatt lasers might still push them much further back behind the front-lines, which in turn makes deploying troops more complicated. But is this any different than their vulnerability to existing threats, ranging from heavy autocannons to MBT main guns? It is more realistic that powerful lasers only have a minor effect on how lighter ground vehicles are deployed.
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Lockheed Martin's DEIMOS 50 kW demonstrator. |
The consequences for infantry are more drastic. A megawatt beam that can slice through steel would have no trouble with human bodies… although the damage would be less ‘slicing’ than ‘instant steam explosion’. That’s not more or less lethal than other heavy weapons on the battlefield (infantry don’t survive 20mm cannon fire either), and while it can fire continuously without worrying about ammunition reserves, it is more easily stopped by hard cover and deals less damage when it gets through.
What will change is that large lasers are very good at countering the tools that infantry use to become a threat to vehicles, buildings or aircraft.
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Infantry normally poses a threat to tanks, like these Milan ATGM operators |
ATGMs can be detected and lased unless fired from very short ranges. Mortar rounds, rockets, RPGs, possibly howitzers would be intercepted too. Drones swarms are eliminated in seconds.
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General Atomics 100 kW-class laser that fits inside a standard container |
All of these don’t even need 1 MW of beam power to neutralize, as today’s Iron Beam and DE M-SHORAD programs suggest. Without these tools, infantry is limited to fighting other infantry. Against mechanized forces, they must lay minefields or attempt very short-range ambushes, which is a risky tactic even if it does succeed. Hopefully the troops are issued with safety glasses so they are not immediately blinded during the assault.
Finally, there’s artillery. The “king of the battlefield” is likely to lose its throne. A typical 155mm shell is protected by a 1-2 cm thick steel case, which a 1 MW laser can get through in 0.05-0.1 seconds, and it probably takes even less time to ignite the explosive filler inside.
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155mm M549 rocket-assisted artillery shell |
Radar arrays that quickly detect rounds fired into the air exist already, and they do so at ranges of 30 to 50 km. If a laser turret takes around 1 second to switch to its target and a negligible amount of time to destroy it, then it can defend itself from a combined fire of 60 rounds per minute. That’s six 2S19M2s, ten Caesar 155mms or twelve 2A36 Giatsint-Bs, all firing ineffectively.
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French Caesar 6x6 155mm artillery |
However, modern SPGs like the AS-90 or PzH 2000 can also shoot bursts of three rounds in less than 10 seconds. If these rounds are fired from long range and they take 30 seconds to land, then one 1 MW turret can absorb ten bursts. From short range, with 10 seconds of air time, a laser turret may defeat burst fire from three artillery pieces, only for rounds from a fourth piece to go through. Numerous SPGs would then be able to defeat laser defenders within their firing range. Of course, this implies that the artillery pieces have give up their long range capabilities to driver much closer to their target than they'd like.
An even simpler approach is to use a multiple rocket launch system. The American M270 MLRS can launch Mach 2.5 supersonic rockets. At their maximum range of 150 km (using ER GMLRS), they would take over 3 minutes to reach their target, taking a trajectory that takes them high into the sky, and therefore a laser turret can intercept 180+ of them. An M270 only has 12 tubes, so it needs to fire from within 12 x 1s x 860 m/s = 10.3 km to overwhelm the laser. The Russian Tornado-G has 40 tubes that fire slightly slower 122mm rockets, able to overwhelm a 1 MW turret from 24 km. If those rockets are loaded with their sub-munition warheads, then they can overwhelm laser defences from even further away, or with fewer launched rockets.
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The strongest counter to laser turrets |
What’s interesting is that defeating a laser turret using ground forces is much easier than by air strike. A laser could be overwhelmed by a single rocket launcher at short range. An asset worth $20m would be defeated by placing rocket trucks worth $1m at risk. For comparison, an air attack that requires 90 missiles and 12 F-35s in the best case, up to 300 missiles and 38 F-35s in worse conditions, would cost $18-60m if it succeeds and $978-3100m if it fails. Megawatt-scale lasers means advancing on the ground is safer and cheaper than trying to win a war from the skies. So, in the near future, ground wars would need to be won in order for air warfare can be conducted, the opposite of today’s reality of air superiority being a requirement for free ground operations.
How do ground forces adapt to megawatt lasers?
Main Battle Tanks with their heavy armor would surge in importance. Their armor scheme could be easily updated to protect against laser fire from the sides by the addition of lightweight ablative shields made of graphite. This would greatly improve their durability: a laser intensity that burns through 19 cm/s of steel in ideal conditions only penetrates graphite at a rate of 9.7 cm/s. Graphite is four times less dense than steel, so per kilogram loaded on the tank, it is about eight times more effective than steel.
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Indonesian Leopard 2 with AMAP package that drastically thickens side armor |
Each armored group on the battlefield would be equipped with a mobile laser turret, to protect against air attack, ATGMs, drones and most threats that prevent them from running rampant.
This mobile laser turret would probably use an existing MBT chassis to support its multi-ton weight. Power could be derived from existing tank engines, but with additional cooling to handle the resultant waste heat.
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Rolls-Royce IPTMS demonstrator using a 300 kW M250 gas turbine to deliver power and cooling for high-power lasers. |
Let’s imagine a 1 MW system sitting on a Leopard 2 chassis. We remove the turret, main gun and ammunition load, taking out around 15 tons. The V12 diesel engine, which provides 1500 horsepower, has an additional link to its gearbox that drives a generator (perhaps weighing 200 kg at 5 kW/kg) to produce electricity. The tank’s cooling system already handles about 1.6 MW of waste heat from the engine, so it needs to be expanded by 63% to also handle waste heat from the laser weapon.
On top of the chassis will be a tall rotating structure that includes a 2 ton laser generator (2 MW input at 1 kW/kg), a 1.5m ball turret containing a 1m mirror held under armored shutters, a fire control radar, a 100 kWh battery (around 1 ton) and various other equipment that might add another 2 tons, for a total of 6 tons.
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The 1K11 Stiletto, showing how a laser turret can use shutters. |
Sufficient armor protection to survive machine guns and shrapnel might double this total. In appearance and role, it most resembles the Leopard 2 Marksman SPAAG, but with a 1.5 m wide ball in the center instead of cannons on the turret sides.
It would be just as mobile as a regular Leopard 2, and be able to fire on battery power for a full 3 minutes. This might sound short, but recall that in situations where the laser turret faced missile swarms over the course of several minutes, it spent most of its time switching between targets and only milliseconds actually destroying them. So 3 minutes of firing would be worth 30+ minutes of operation, depending on how tough the targets are. The onboard generator can then recharge the battery in 6 minutes by running the engine while stopped, or at a slower rate while moving at reduced speed.
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1K17 Szhatie Soviet laser tank. It was incredibly expensive due to multiple lasers with ruby lasing rods. |
If a stationary 1 MW turret costs $10m, then a 'Laser Leopard' variant is likely twice as expensive at $20m (second-hand Leopard 2A4s to provide the chassis are already under $4m).
We can also imagine a 'Laser Marder', based on the old Marder IFV platforms or similar lighter platforms, supporting the 'Laser Leopard'.
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Marder 1A5A1 IFV |
They’d have 250 kW lasers and 0.5m mirrors in ball turrets that replace their current ATGM and 20mm autocannon armament. It might only cost $10m. We calculated previously that at short ranges (under 20 km) the 1 MW laser is overkill for most targets and spends most of its time switching between targets. Additional smaller lasers would maximize the number of targets intercepted.
Naturally, a counter-laser vehicle could also be introduced.
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Directed Energy M-SHORAD vehicles in testing. Their ~0.5m turrets are a good visual reference. |
It specializes in destroying laser mirrors. In Part I, we found that a 100 kW laser focused by a 0.5m mirror can destroy the mirror (LIDT 10 kW/cm^2) of a laser turret from a distance of 22 km. A light vehicle can use ground cover and concealment to drive much closer, perhaps to within 10 km. From a hidden position at that distance, it can fire a 20 kW beam focused by a 0.5m mirror to achieve the same destructive effect.
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US Army HEL-TVD 100 kW laser by Dynetics. |
By 2045 a 20 kW laser weapon system might be small and compact enough to fit on a small off-road vehicle alongside its generator, battery and cooling system, like Raytheon is already attempting with its HEL system on a Polaris MRZR ATV.
It would be sensible to add these systems to future reconnaissance vehicles too, so that they can find targets for air strikes and take out laser defences from their vantage point.
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Raytheon's "laser dune buggy' |
When large lasers are in play, infantry can do much less than before. They need to be given tools to make them a threat to laser turrets, so they can clear a space for their ATGMs, mortars and other such heavy weapons to become effective again. For example, they could gain small lasers of their own. Today’s infantry is already trained to approach within 5 km of tanks to attack them, and normally have to creep to within 3 km of them to use Stugna-Ps or Javelins. If they can do the same with a 30 cm telescope (it doesn’t need to be a fully rotating turret), then they can produce a spot size of 1 cm and destroy enemy mirrors using only an 8 kW beam. The real question is whether such a laser can be broken down into man-portable pieces that infantry can use within such short distances.
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Picture a laser designator, but much larger |
Alternatively, infantry can try taking out laser mirrors with a well-timed shot of an anti-materiel rifle when the shutters are open, or get upgraded to very high velocity ATGMs like the defunct MGM-166 LOSAT or the smaller Compact Kinetic Energy Missile which weighed only 45 kg. A future CKEM would shoot a hypersonic dart across 10 km and destroy any target, laser or not.
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CKEM fired from fixed tubes on the roof of a Humvee |
Artillery can see some modifications too. The number of rounds fired in burst mode becomes their essential performance metric, so an autoloader that can fire ten rounds in ten seconds without melting the barrel might be developed. MLRSs might equip rockets that try to maximize speed over range, so that fewer are needed. But as mentioned before, large 1 MW laser turrets can be backed up by smaller mini-turrets that multiply the number of projectiles they can intercept from short range. If Laser Marders are present alongside Laser Leopards, then the number of artillery rounds or rockets intercepted goes up linearly without also costing much more. Cluster munitions would however increase the number of targets even faster.
Surface Action
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HELIOS: 60 kW+ from a Spectral Beam Combined Fiber Laser |
Powerful lasers are already close to deployment at sea. The US Navy’s HELCAP doesn’t need much improvement to jump from 300 kW to 1 MW. We’ve also pointed out the techniques they can use to overcome the beaming challenges at sea, to shoot through atmospheric turbulence, moisture, fog and clouds. In the featureless terrain of the open ocean, lasers are sure to give their best performance.
The 1 MW green laser focused by a 1 m diameter mirror would already be very effective. It can defend ships from hundreds of subsonic missiles and dozens of supersonic missiles, per turret. It also destroys boats and UAVs out to the horizon, despite only costing as much as a single Phalanx CIWS turret today (assuming it doesn’t get its own independent radar). A ‘bolt-on’ solution (power, cooling, radar included) that can be placed anywhere would be double or triple the cost of the laser alone, but it would be more than worthwhile as a massive air defence upgrade to most of today’s large ships.
Yet, you’ll find the largest ships cost billions of dollars each. It is therefore justified to consider a proportionally larger laser weapon for mounting aboard Navy ships by 2045.
Let’s consider a 5 MW laser focused by a 3 meter diameter mirror. It would cost at least $60 million, or more if it is difficult to construct mirrors of that size. An Arleigh Burke class destroyer has 16 MW of electrical power generation capacity in the Flight III upgrade. Adding a 5 MW laser, which needs 10 MW of electrical input, would require adding a lot more electrical power generating capability and significant battery storage; 1000 kWh to fire continuously for 6 minutes.
Where the previous 1 MW laser was able to produce a spot intensity of 32 MW/m^2 or 3.2 kW/cm^2 at 200 km, the 5 MW mega-laser extends it to 987 km. It is dangerous to satellites at up to 4000 km altitude, instantly lethal to any aircraft it sees and a great shield against ICBM threats on top of being a large telescope and possibly an effective active sensor in its own right. The line-of-sight limitation however remains.
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This is the HMS Daring |
If it is mounted on a mast 21 meters high, a position occupied by the Sampson radar aboard the Type 45 destroyer, then it can fire on sea-skimming missiles flying at 10 meter altitude from a distance of 28 km. If the target is a high-flying aircraft, perhaps at 18 km altitude, then the laser can reach it from 500 km away.
A laser won’t be the sole weapon installed. Navy ships are packed with missiles that are not limited by line-of-sight or distance to the visual horizon. Missiles shoot what cannot be seen, while lasers focus on everything that is within line-of-sight. This can include other ships.
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Lasers defeating all manner of threats at sea, even at lower power level. |
Navy ships are packed with missiles that are not limited by line-of-sight or the horizon. With such a laser on board, a ship can reserve its missiles for anything it cannot directly see, and fire with the laser on anything it can see. This can include other ships.
Let’s consider ship vs ship combat. As in the air warfare scenario, the side with the laser has a massive advantage, so there would be immense pressure to add these defences to ships as well. Ships can defend themselves from many missiles fired at them, especially if they have both a high-mounted (16m mast) long-range laser and smaller mini-turrets to maximize the number of projectiles intercepted. If we assume a ship has three turrets available (one 5 MW mega-laser and two 1 MW lasers) and target switching time is 1 second, then it can take out missiles as soon as they appear over the horizon.
The fastest anti-ship attacks are delivered from essentially short-ranged ballistic missiles. China is building up an arsenal of these with missiles like the DF-21, which crosses over 1500 km while climbing to 1200 km altitude before diving down at a terminal velocity of Mach 10. It’s not known if the DF-21’s warhead deploys decoys while outside the atmosphere, or if it carries less re-entry shielding than full ICBM warheads, but even if we assume the worst case scenario, a 5+1+1 MW laser defence system can take out over 120 of them after they hit the atmosphere on their way down.
Sea-skimming missiles fare better as they spend less time exposed to laser fire. The P-1000 Vulkan is a monstrous 11.7m long missile that can reach Mach 3 while flying only 50 meters over the sea.
It pops up over the horizon from 40 km away, giving defenders less than 39 seconds to respond. In that time, 78 missiles will be destroyed. The Mach 3 Indian BrahMos ramjet missile flies lower: 3 meters above the waves, apparently, meaning it only appears to the lasers from 20.5 km. That reduces the number taken out to 40.
Laser defences with megawatt-scale beams and multiple turrets can take out enormous missile salvos. They can absorb full salvos from 4-5 other ships, even if they’re the largest and most advanced sea-skimming missiles. So, in an equal engagement, no missiles get through. However, from a distance of 25 km, ships would start to become directly visible to each other.
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A warship design optimized for laser weapons |
A 5 MW beam focused by a 3m mirror can produce a 1.7cm wide (1.5x diffraction limit) spot at 25 km, enough to cut through 34 cm/s of steel or 151 cm/s of aluminium alloy. If the beam is intentionally widened to 38 cm, then the drill rate is 1 cm/s through aluminium alloy. That is enough to open Domino’s Extra-Large Pizza sized holes in any ship’s hull (5-10mm of aluminium) every second. Ships cannot instantly rotate their hull nor quickly exit the laser fire range, so they are likely to leave any direct engagement with hundreds of such holes.
While there are on-going efforts today to counter directed energy weapons, it is unlikely ships will emerge unscathed from such engagements. Ideas for very long range bombardment using railguns or coilguns could be revived, as hypersonic inert projectiles delivered at a high rate of fire from behind the horizon would be an excellent counter to lasers. The same electrical output installed for laser weapons could be used to power these guns. Eventually, we might see the return of battleship design aspects: multiple large guns, relying on thick (ablative) armor to survive laser strikes and less concerned by air or missile attack... but that's further into the future than 2045.
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Pan Spatial's USS Teton futuristic battleship. |
Even better than heavy armor is diving underwater… or better still, attack while remaining underwater. Submarines would be largely unaffected by powerful lasers. Even a few meters of seawater is enough to render megawatt beams useless, meaning they’ll remain well protected.
Their main means of attack are torpedoes and missiles launched from underwater. Torpedoes would be as effective as usual. Although heavy torpedoes can travel over 50 km underwater, their practical range against moving targets is greatly reduced (a 55 knot torpedo chasing a 32 knot target only gets 42% its normal range). Submarine-launched missiles like the Exocet SM39 or UGM-84 Harpoon must emerge from the water, forcing them to face laser defences.
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MBDA SM40 Exocet with 120 km range |
Submarines generally have fewer anti-ship missiles loaded than a surface warship, and can only release a few at once. That means they have only a very limited capability for overwhelming laser defences. However, they are able to launch surprise attacks from unexpected directions, which exploits the greatest vulnerability warships have: being unable to detect they're under attack in the first place.
SLBMs used in an anti-ship role face a similar challenge that regular ballistic missiles do, but they can be deployed in a more flexible and surprising manner than ground-based launchers. The same goes for SLCMs. It still implies that submarines (either large crewed designs or new XLUUV drones) could take on the primary anti-ship role, while regular surface ships focus on anti-air and anti-sub operations.
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Anduril's Ghost Shark XLUUV |
There are further uses for megawatt lasers, other than sinking ships and felling missiles. Laser light can serve as a power transmitter to any craft equipped with photovoltaic panels. A PV panel specifically tuned to the wavelength of the laser can convert the light it receives into electricity with triple the efficiency of a regular silicon solar panel, up to 86% efficiency. Electrically powered aircraft, like an observation drone, could install laser-PV panels on the undersides of their wings and get recharged by ship beams at sea, allowing them to stay aloft indefinitely. In a further future, those drones could also carry aloft relay mirrors to extend the ship beams far over the horizon. They could be simpler and cheaper mirrors to make them acceptably expendable, all while getting around the direct line-of-sight requirement for laser fire.
And, while megawatt lasers generally are very harmful to the presence and effectiveness of air forces, they can at least permit them to focus on offensive missions, while laser turrets take on the role of defence. The majority of an Aircraft Carrier Group’s air wing’s time is spent on defensive patrols. Instead, all those E-2 Hawkeyes and F/A-18 buddy tankers could be re-dedicated to serving strike missions. The same can be said for a Navy ship’s missile loadout: it can be mainly offensive instead of nearly entirely defensive, as today.
Instead of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer dedicating over 60% of its 96 VLS tubes to defensive SM-2s, SM-6s and Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles, they can be filled nearly entirely with LRASMs or the upcoming Naval Strike Missile.
The only real obstacle to these lasers at sea by 2045 is how long it takes to modify and upgrade ships, let alone design and launch new classes that make full use of new laser weapons!
Gone with the photon
So far, we have looked exclusively at the military domain. The laser revolution extends far beyond that.
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PowerLight laser power beaming demonstration |
What we’d like to see is megawatt-class lasers assisting with transportation, by using them to transmit beamed power. However, this is unlikely to happen in the next 20 years. Shipping and aircraft require too much power while cars and trucks are too numerous to dedicate a beam to each vehicle.
Ships are large and the most efficient way to move things around.
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"ONE Innovation": 24,136 TEU, driven by 62 MW MAN B&W engines to 22 kts |
The gigantic Triple E-class container ships are 399m long and 58.6m wide, so their top surface area is roughly 23,381 m^2. If 75% of that area is covered in 20% efficient solar panels, it could generate 3.5 MW of electricity. That’s not enough to match the output of its 2x31 MW diesel engines, and it’s only that much in perfect weather conditions, during the day and without clouds. If those panels are replaced by photovoltaic versions tuned specifically to receive a single laser wavelength, they can reach an efficiency of 68% or better.
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A direct free-space optical power link |
Even so, they’d need a laser intensity of over 5200 W/m^2 to produce the required 62 MW of power. That’s a pretty dangerous beam to be shooting down at the ocean among commercial shipping lanes: an uncooled surface in the path of that beam would reach a temperature of 550 Kelvin.
Aircraft have it much worse. There are several ongoing attempts at aircraft electrification, from hybrid electric/thermal propulsion to ‘turbo-electric’ architectures to pure electric flight.
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NASA next-generation turboelectric aircraft design |
While electric motors are approaching the point where they could replace turbine engines at the same power density level (5-15 kW/kg), electric flight is hampered by the insufficient energy density of batteries (40x lower than carbon fuels) and the weight of generators or fuel cells. Lasers can get theoretically rid of these obstacles by delivering power from a remote source. All the aircraft needs to do is install large photovoltaic panels on its underside to catch laser beams, convert them into electricity and use it as needed, without storage.
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There is a reason why the MOTH2 UAV is so thin and lightweight |
A beamed-power airplane coated in these panels on its underside could feed electrical power directly into electric engines to propel itself, as long as it is within reach of ground-based lasers, allowing it to cross indefinite distances without expending fuel. It is likely to still have an onboard turbine-generator to produce additional power during take-off, or to take over during emergencies. If you don’t want megawatt laser beams wandering over airports near cities, then requiring that electric beam-riding aircraft also have fuel reserves for independent take-off and landings would be fair.
However, the way aircraft are currently designed does not suit the needs of beamed power very well. If you removed the fuel from a 737-800 until it weighed around 50 tons, for example, and placed it at cruising altitude with a lift-to-drag ratio of 10, then you’d need roughly 50 kN of thrust (which is similar to the 29.4 x 2 kN maximum cruise thrust mentioned here).
Power = Thrust x Velocity, so the plane would need a net engine output of 11 MW at 800 km/h. The plane’s wing and fuselage area add up to roughly 230 m^2, meaning if it was all coated with PV panels, they’d need to pump out 47.8 kW/m^2. Considering 70% efficiency as realistic, that’s an incoming laser intensity of 68 kW/m^2! Far too high. If that beam wandered over a regular airplane, it would produce a temperature over 1046 K, enough to melt its aluminium surfaces.
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Alternatively, go all-in with intense beams to drive a laser-powered turbofan |
A flying wing design might double this lift-to-drag ratio in ideal flight conditions, but that would still require dangerous beam intensities.
Instead, lasers could be used to power small drones.
Whether it’s carrying packages or circling above to transmit radio waves or monitor the ground, it is much easier to deliver the electricity they need using beams of modest intensity. Attempts to realize this are ongoing, although there is competition between using lasers to deliver this energy or microwaves.
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Laser power transmission exists, but needs to be scaled up 100,000x for humans |
Megawatt lasers allow these drones to scale up to the size of light aircraft (the Daher TBM 960 has a 633 kW engine) or medium helicopters (the Leonardo AW09 with 5-8 seats uses a 750 kW turbine), more than capable enough of carrying people. They just need to be equipped with photovoltaic panels of around 20 x 20 meters in size.
Cheap yet powerful lasers could make laser rocket launches practical.
If it takes 1 MW to launch 1 kg to space, and that MW only costs $10,000, then a $100m laser launch facility can start delivering ten ton payloads into orbit.
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Depiction of a laser launch facility using many small lasers to minimize costs |
A laser launch may last 10 minutes, and the equipment would be around 50% efficient overall, so 1.2 GJ or 333 kWh of electrical energy would need to be expended per launch per kg. That’s $54 at the average electricity prices in the US, but it can be as low as $23 in India! Add in the $10 cost of propellant (mass ratio 2.6 rocket at $6/kg) and other running costs, and you space launch within $100/kg. That’s an order of magnitude lower than the launch costs of chemical rockets (even the Falcon 9 and the upcoming Starship) and promising enough to warrant serious efforts.
Which suits the next possibility very well.
Megawatt lasers could also open a path to Space Based Solar Power return to being a serious contender for solving the planet’s energy problems.
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NASA/Boeing 100 kWe laser-beaming power satellite proposal |
Lasers with the right wavelength and assisted with cloud-boring techniques have the advantage of being unperturbed by the atmosphere, and easily focused across very long distances using relatively small focusing mirrors. Chinese plans for this energy source do consider laser beaming, as opposed to typical microwave-based Western designs.
A 2m wide mirror focusing 532 nm beams can produce a spot that’s 24 m in diameter… from geostationary orbit. If 10x solar intensity is acceptable to beam down from space, with an automatic interruption for birds or planes flying through it, then the satellite could deliver 4.5 MW of power all day (3.2 MW of electricity after conversion inefficiency). This should be compared to the kilometer-scale transmitters envisioned for microwave-beaming power satellites that also needed receivers hundreds of meters wide (while also acting as a massive radio jammer for mobile phone or Wifi frequencies), which in turn justified photovoltaic panels growing to the Gigawatt scale.
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1970s DOE/NASA solar power satellite studies resulted in gigantic designs |
That makes each power station a huge investment requiring billions of dollars each in multiple launches. A MW-scale laser-beaming power satellite could fit inside a single Falcon 9 launch and start operating as soon as it reaches its intended orbit. If that launch is also done using lasers, then it can become cheaper still.
There are further possibilities with using tightly focused beams to deliver power to spacecraft with electric thrusters across cislunar (10,000 km) distances.
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Leik Myrabo designs for power beaming technologies |
A laser-electric drive could rapidly spiral in and out of Low Earth Orbit using small receiver panels (1-5 kW/m^2) instead of titanic solar panels (200 W/m^2) that are 5-25x larger and heavier. Since electric thrusters have many times the specific impulse of chemical rockets, or even upcoming solid-core nuclear thermal rockets, travel between the Earth and the Moon could be done that much more efficiently.
Finally, we can see large lasers being added to the roster of sensors we use to detect and track aircraft and ships, or weather patterns, land erosion and deforestation.
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Flying laser sensors are cutting edge technology |
They can act as giant LIDARs, which would act as much higher resolution RADAR that with very long range or excellent resolution, that detects radio-transparent objects or illuminate surfaces for other sensors to work on. Such lasers could be mounted on aircraft or observation satellites.
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Space based laser detection of submarines |
We haven't forgotten laser cutting of metals, but it seems that industry is limited by other factors and therefore more powerful lasers won't help much.
A caution
All that’s been written so far is based on rough calculations, publicly available data and projections decades into the future. Some aspects might not have been covered enough, such as the important role of sensors and electronic warfare in air defence scenarios, or the omnipresent danger of blinding people with large lasers. There will be details that will turn out wrong, either in their optimism or pessimism, but hopefully they’ll be near misses and the general picture remains true (plus or minus a few years). If the sort of future described here starts to take form, then hard questions need to be posed about how nations defend themselves, what role nuclear weapons will have, or whether current spending plans are wise…
Either way, there will be a laser revolution and like most revolutions, it will shake things up.
I think more gravity needs to be given to the use of smoke in surface warfare as an effective countermeasure against lasers, especially given the emphasis in Part I on the weather-dependent nature of laser weapons. An infantryman could get close enough to pop a smoke round next to an enemy laser weapon...
ReplyDeleteSmoke can be effective, but it depends on the scale. Depending on what techniques lasers use to blow away or vaporize a hole through kilometers thick thunderstorm clouds, they may not have much trouble getting through the sort of smoke cloud that a grenade can put up...
DeleteI wonder how effective a green laser would be at destroying torpedoes? I seem to recall an infographic from the previous blog post that showed they could go through a fair amount of water.
ReplyDeleteIt would be inefficient as hell. Focusing the beam on the torpedo - which position is hard to determine precisely, due to inherited problems of acoustic detection - would be a major headache.
DeleteYou need to deliver a laser intensity that can melt through the steel torpedo casing, which means that intensity has to travel through the water above the torpedo. Water is great absorbing laser energy and at high efficiency, it will turn into steam. So, to destroy a torpedo, you have to be continuously vaporizing a column of water above the torpedo before anything arrives at the torpedo itself, and at its travel speed (25m/s) that may mean many cubic meters of water per second at the cost of over 25 GW.
DeleteNot to mention that torpedo hull would be constantly cooled by the water flow around.
DeleteVery interesting. On the topic of tanks, I think it would be worth considering how long it would take to hit optics, active defense radar, gun barrel, remote controlled cannon and tracks. Plus lasers can neutralize reactive armor blocks fairly quickly.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how the laser will be affected by various aerosols? Like graphite or metal dust. Can they induce thermal blooming?
A tank barrel and its tracks would be fairly resistant to laser attack, since they're usually moving or are able to spread laser energy easily. The rest of the external equipment would indeed be vulnerable. However, they wouldn't be more vulnerable than to an attack by say, a IFV's autocannon. The real question is if the laser can disable the tank before it can effectively respond. That is the question a very brave Bradley might ask before engaging an MBT...
DeleteGraphite or metal dust would not absorb lasers unless there are very thick clouds of them. They would help by scattering the beam, which is most effective when the particles are similar in size to the laser wavelength. In practice, it may be difficult to disperse micrometer-scale particles rapidly and evenly.
A bit too optimisitc about defense against artillery rounds, IMHO. Sure, the thin walls of HE shell could be drilled by laser. But what if the shell did not have bursthing charge? A metal slug, fired as inexpensive decoy, to distract the laser attention from a real, explosive-filled shells? The laser could not discriminate them, as long as they have similar trajectories (i.e. same weight), and would be forced to lase each one to destruction. Sure, it could be programmed to ignore shells that did not burst after short lasing, but this is rather unreliable method, subjected to deadly "ooops".
ReplyDeleteSure, that would work. Inert metal shells would be very resistant to laser interception. A smart laser just needs to adjust its maximum 'time budget' per target to a point where it can reliably distinguish between HE and solid shells - maybe this is 1 second. If it doesn't destroy it after 1 second of firing, it moves on to the next target. It would realize that its target is not easy to kill, and may be an inert shell, meaning it has a very low chance of dealing damage with a direct hit and so you can let it through.
DeleteOn the other hand, its not hard to imagine shrapnel-type shell with carefully insulated bursting charge (or even some unorthodox non-explosive shrapnel release method) which would be basically immune to short lasing. Such shell would be able to circumvent "if didn't burst after one second, then ignore" discriminaion. Not always, probably, but enough to make laser work rather... more complex.
DeleteOne important question about naval warfare - what about bad weather conditions?
ReplyDeleteThey would have to be dealt with using the same techniques lasers would need to be effective in bad weather on land . They'd face those conditions more frequently, but ships can often sail around bad weather if they need to.
Delete"Ships cannot instantly rotate their hull nor quickly exit the laser fire range, so they are likely to leave any direct engagement with hundreds of such holes."
ReplyDeleteBut there is one thing they could easily do - pump the seawater as coolant/ablative armor between hull plates or on their surface. Basically every modern warship equipped with washdown system to protect itself from WMD. The improved washdown system could be used to hamper lasers at least a bit.
I don't think the amounts of water a washdown system can pump out would be able to meaningfully defend against a megawatt laser beam. You'd need a layer tens of centimeters thick to really do something to the beam, which means pumping out at least 100 kg/s over each exposed m^2.
DeleteShips hulls aren't equipped to transfer heat to a liquid coolant either. Thermal conductivity through the hull layers into seawater won't help against even modest laser beams.
That said, these are easy modifications to add. A 'shower' system added to the ship hull like a torpedo net would be rather effective. Adding external plates with microchannels to pump water through them would be great at absorbing laser heating. It's still great news for laser because a relatively cheap turret can impose serious modifications on the entire enemy fleet by its existence.
Great article as always!
ReplyDeleteThe paradigm shift which you are describing is one where static defense, even ones with light fortifications against enemy lasers and kinetic projectiles, become dominant once again. This also means that the cost and size of such facilities can be drastically increase, as they are almost not threatened by bunker busting bombs and they benefit from clustering defensive lasers for mutual protection. With this, I propose the concept of a laser mountain fort: where an entire mountain is filled with deeply buried static laser facilities, which have their outputs at many high altitude sites, hidden all over the mountain. As such, the expensive part of the facility is buried deep out of reach, and only flat mirrors with armoured shutters are exposed on the surface, to redirect the beam onto a target. Such a fortress with a 1 km high laser output can reach out to an almost 113 km horizon. One could imagine these facilities to cost billions of dollars and contain dozens to hundreds of MW-class lasers, or even GW class lasers. Target switching time just isn't a problem if you have enough lasers in a single place. Considering that Taiwan has multiple mountain peaks over 3800 m altitude, I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out the viability of air and sea operations as well as the use of stand-off munitions in such a scenario...
As for offensive adaptations, I can think of a few. You already mentioned the increased relevance of submarine warfare, but I think this is especially the case for subterranean warfare. We have already seen the modern relevance of tunneling and trenches in the last few years of conflicts (Gaza, Ukraine etc...). We can expect a renewed interest in tunneling technology as militaries will try and find ways to breach well defended laser fortresses. Such sieges could resemble the sieges of the late middle ages and early modern erra, where the introduction of cannons forced attackers to keep out of line-of sight and approach fortresses with zig-zaging trenches and tunnels. Due to the range of laser forteresses, one could imagine such trenching and tunneling networks needing to start dozens of kms away from the fortress being assaulted (hundreds, for the laser mountain forts of my previous comment).
DeleteThat would be quite fun to imagine! Great for a scifi setting.
DeleteIn reality, I think there would be some obstacles to the 'laser mountain' concept. They would be very strong against most attacks but not completely immune. While one side builds a multi-billion-dollar fortress, the other side can invest in multiplying their stockpile of ground-skimming stealthy munitions. The laser mountain offers a single immobile point for all attacks to converge on - it can be overwhelmed.
If you'd put that money into a more dispersed mobile force, you could divide attacking forces to below the threshold that overwhelms your laser defences, or just retract them if the enemy is too strong. A mobile force also has a double value of being able to both attack and defend. A laser mountain overlooking Seoul is more of an exceptional situation that something most countries would want to have.
Digging is unlikely unless it gets much better and faster than today. Seismometers can detect tiny changes in underground terrain, letting your digging equipment be targeted by ground-penetrating bombs. It's hard to cover your diggers with an army to protect them from such counter-attacks, because that army would be exposed to the laser mountain... You might have a chance if you dig REALLY deep, but that is so slow that technology might significantly shift before the attack is completed!
An interesting idea might be a self-propelled trench digging machine... like the enormous "White rabbit" British build & tested in 1939-1940 (when they still assumes that the war would be static). A large semi-subterranean engine, digging a trench toward the enemy position, covering its roof with the ground it digs. Laser attack against such semi-subterranean machine would be rather inefficient; laser would be forced to burn through constantly shifting shield of earth on the top. And the trench itself would provide troops (and machines) with good enough cover from laser attacks.
DeleteJust thinking of potential defense: Conducting away the incoming heat may make a big difference, if it would be possible to perfectly transfer the heat to water (to be evaporated in the process), it would only need about 400 ml of cooling water per second (or 24l per minute) to take away the full heat of an incoming 1 MW laser beam. Could that be possible with synthetic diamond (which is a very good thermal conductor), possibly with coolant pipes embedded in the material? What could also help with diamond is that it is transparent and thus maybe not absorb too much laser power right at the surface.
ReplyDeleteOf course diamond is way too expensive today but prices for synthetic diamond manufacturing are already dropping over time and I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it gets cheap enough for that kind of application if there is a military need (and a multi-billion dollar budget) for improving the diamond manufacturing process - and there is definitely no shortage of raw material (carbon).
You're absolutely right.
DeleteDiamond isn't strictly needed. Copper tubes with enough thermal conductivity can handle the laser. Graphite has a melting point of >3800°C and would be even more resistant to lasers.
As I noted elsewhere, this is still a great win for lasers because their mere existence would force entire militaries to replace all their vehicles with new designs that incorporate these new surfaces and other anti-laser measures. It's similar to the time torpedoes were introduced to the seas, and suddenly all battleships had to include bulky anti-torpedo bulges/screens that they had to drag along with them everywhere they went.
For MW lasers, either on a battlefield or for a rocket launch, how bright would it be? I just imagine the sky turning dark relative to the blinding brightness as the beam scatters off debris and the target. Would it pose a danger to anyone or aninal within eyesight or be similar or less bright than sunlight from a moderate distance (let's say like 10km). I assume the beam would be invisible (similar to a flashlight viewed perpendicularly) but once encountering an opaque object like the target or cloud/dust would be extremely bright.
ReplyDeleteOk answering my own question:
For comparison, the sun is roughly 1kW/m2.. a MW beam entirely dispersed over a sphere of 10km radius would be the same intensity as moonlight. But it would be much smaller in field of view (like a star vs the moon) so as a single point, around 1000x brighter. But I think roughly a bright light, and probably enough to illuminate an area during a dark night. But definitely not blinding, unless I totally goofed the numbers (very possible)
If you read the comments on the previous post in this series on near future laser weaponry, the consensus is definitely that lasers in the Megawatt range of wavelengths optimized for traveling through the atmosphere would definitely cause blindness. Though I am interested in knowing the details and numbers. But remember that this post began with the claim that the lasers would literally cause forest fires tens of kilometers away.
DeleteWhat I want to know is whether or not it is possible to equip a population with laser-negating sunglasses to prevent their blindness or even reduce the probability of blindness. If the lasers are just too powerful to practically be stopped by a pair of sunglasses, that's unfortunate. Maybe only for a nation's infantry deployed in laser-contested zones? Or, sadly, in a real-world scenario, wealthy superpowers that are too powerful to be attacked directly might be able to give a significant portion of their population synthetic diamond sunglasses; but the developing country which is the site of the proxy war, can't, unless a humanitarian group is able to gain access during a ceasefire...
Also, the comments in the previous post suggested that certain coatings might be able to protect laser mirrors from being fried by prematurely detonated nukes. Would that same method defend laser mirrors against enemy laser-disabling lasers?
This is to acknowledge that the previous post's comment thread basically answered my questions: There definitely is a type of coating that could be tweaked to protect lasers, but it is going to be very hard to make into a lens to protect either the mirror or to protect people's eyes; thank you Matterbeam and Dilandu for that info. If I missed someone else who contributed to the PZLT information, I'm sorry.
DeleteI don't know whether making PZLT-analogue lenses is only a technological or a logistical hurdle. (i.e., Once we have figured out the right composition for the coating and how to manufacture it, is it easy to mass-produce?)
And considering the kind of warfare discussed here (laser and nuclear), I actually am now envisioning not a pair of sunglasses, but a welding style helmet with a wide-view PZLT-analogue lens.
Ok so what this is telling me is that prism tanks from red alert are meta now
ReplyDeleteBasically. Possibly no visible flash and that iconic noise (if it is visible, it would be blue), but the cover lifting to reveal the laser and pretty much all other aspect is correct!
DeleteI was the "cat plays with mouse" kind of player. Build up an advantage, and then sit there stockpiling a few hundred tanks and units and building 16 Harrier pads for however many Harriers that would be, just so that I could one-shot their construction yard with an air strike. Then send in said tanks and units and demolish their whole base in under a minute.
DeleteDon't worry. I didn't play online. I only did that kind of emotional damage to the computer, not to an actual human being!
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ReplyDeleteSo for long range Sea warfare, if missiles attacks are now very expensive and torpedoes unchanged, then anti ship missiles would become sea-skimming cruise missiles caring a torpedo. The missile gets as close as it can, drop the torpedo and then it travels safe from laser attack to the ship, although anti-torpedo torpedo. That, at least to me, seems cheaper than developing hyper-sonic sea-skimming graphite armored anti-ship missiles.
ReplyDeleteBasically yes, it would be a most practical solution. Of course, such torpedo-carrying missiles would be rather... heavy.
DeleteI have heard a rumor that missile-carrying cruise missiles have been developed already. So it should be possible. Compared to having to double or triple one's arsenal, that anti-ship solution makes the most sense.
DeleteThe other thing is, how stealthy is stealth? Can a stealth missile or a stealth UAV with missiles get within point-blank range without being seen, or are those days over?
Hardly a rumor - Soviet "Rastrub-B" was essentially a cruise missile (powered by liquid-fuel rocket) with an anti-submarine homing torpedo strapped beneath. It was mainly an anti-submarine missile with about 55 km range, but also have anti-surface mode (for which an infrared seeker and small shaped-charge warhead were installed).
DeleteOf course, the torpedo it carried was just a small anti-submarine torpedo, the UMGT-1. It's range was limited to about 10 km.
But at least in theory, we could perfecly imagine a large missile, carrying a big, anti-ship torpedo.
A typical modern heavyweight anti-ship torpedo (like French F21 or Italian Black Shark) have about 50 km range & weight about 1500-1800 kg. Since the torpedo body is sturdy and rigid by itself, we could just use it as main sturctural element of the missile - merely strapping a foldable wing with control surfaces on top, and propulsion module with jet engine and fuel tank below. Adding the stealthy aerodynamic shell would help to stay below radar.
DeleteA sea-skimming stealthy missile (perhaps a navy version of the FEANIX (https://www.diehl.com/defence/en/press-and-media/news/diehl-defence-presents-new-light-remote-carrier-feanix/)) that deploys a torpedo would be very effective against warships, with or without lasers!
DeleteThe disadvantages however are: a tiny warhead relative to the size of the attack, and vulnerability to both radar+laser interception in the air and sonar+decoy+maneuver defences underwater... unless the torpedo is dropped at the perfect time before the missile carrier is within radar detection range.
On the other hand, the underwater torpedo damage is generally much more threatening than above-water damage from missile hit. Proximity detonation beneath the keel is especially dangerous; the oscillating gas bubble, rushing to surface, collapse by hitting warship's hull - producing extremely destructive water-jet, aimed upward.
DeleteThere is no reason why we can't just use a heavyweight anti-ship torpedo - with long running range and heavy warhead - as a payload of missile. As I mentioned above, torpedo hull is rigid enough to serve as missile body; we could just strap wings, engine pod, navigation & control surfaces on the torpedo, and use a lightweight aerodynamic cover to provide low RCS.
DeleteI'm not aware of an air-launched torpedo of that size. Also note that an 'adding wings to a torpedo' design would not lead to something fast, stealthy nor far-reaching.
DeleteLook for AUM-N-2 Petrel - an air-launched torpedo-missile that essentially consisted of Mark 22 homing torpedo with wings, turbojet engine and semi-active radar seeker attached. This 1950s weapon was a product of Kingfisher guided weapon series (which followed the wartime SWOD guided weapon program), and was developed as standoff weapon for patrol bombers. It wasn't particularly popular idea and only served for a short time - mainly because anti-submarine defense became a much greater priority, and Petrel was only anti-ship weapon - but you would get a general picture of what was possible even with basically WW2 technology.
DeleteI will look for modern equivalents.
DeleteThis is a question related to an older post, regarding Skyhooks--
ReplyDeleteThe problem of docking a spacecraft to a rotating structure, while both are spiraling around another body, and it literally takes close to if not more than an hour for a spacecraft to dock with the ISS, all the while literally moving inches at a time--that's the sort of thing that needs a simpler solution, not a technical solution.
If Skyhooks were made similar to the Hypervelocity tether rocket with a maglev, frictionless magnetic bearing, or similar motor and use Solar, fissile, fusion, or beamed power, and furthermore they stopped spinning to receive a ship from the planet below them, then spun up to launch it...
1. How much power are we looking at per launch?
2. Would Skyhooks still be economically profitable?
That would ruin the advantage Skyhooks have in the Jovian System, which is to stage them. They would only be effective as a sending and not a receiving delta-v "cheat." Also, someone commented that Skyhooks could be made as disks, not levers. Can they be made as rings, or does structural integrity begin to suffer? Or is it that deformation of the ring Skyhook can be countered with more than one counterweight, all spaced evenly about the ring? If the performance of a disk is the same as a "bar" or "rod" Skyhook, the bar Skyhook makes sense since it is made of less material.
They don't need to perfectly dock with an airtight seal. The craft just needs to approach close enough to be hooked onto the tether. It's similar to current attempts to catch drones mid-air using arresting hooks and wires.
DeletePower per launch: it would be a regular space launch up to the tether rendezvous, and then the tether boosts itself back to its original orbit after releasing the payload. So it depends on the propulsion systems used at each step.
Economical feasibility: the tether is basically an upper stage for a rocket. The economic feasibility case is pretty strong if you have a larger space economy that demands a lot of launches, so the savings from the tether are multiplied again and again.
Ring or disk skyhooks are possible, but really unnecessary.
I think declaring lasers as the end of aerial drone swarms is slightly premature, infact, fiberoptic FPVs in hunting packs could be a severe threat to laser systems.
ReplyDeleteFiber Optic FPV's can fly essentially as close to the ground as possible, on a flat horizontal plain this would still leave it exposed, but many of the areas that might be fought over in future wars are dense and with limited sightlines
FPVs can also maneuver around obstacles and even set up ambushes by landing and waiting for targets. They are notoriously hard to detect by conventional systems, having it weave in and around obstacles just barely above the ground would make detection harder.
FPV ambushes, or even just attacks from close range using cover could give laser systems seconds to intercept. Against a pack attacking from multiple directions even small fast laser turrets may find trouble identifying and eliminating all the drones in time.
Even a single descent could at minimum disable the laser or its power system, enabling follow up strikes