Point Defense
Sky full of anti-aircraft flak during naval battle of Santa Cruz |
Lasers, kinetics and anti-missile missiles are the three types of defense possible. A wide-angle Casaba Howitzer can sweep away one wave of missiles, but as it is essentially a nuclear explosion, it could potentially mission-kill the warship it is defending (radiation flux, flash burn of exposed sensors, heat warping of main laser mirror ect.)....
Laser Point Defense
A regular missile launched at a 1000km stand-off distance will spend 90% of its life under fire from the target's main laser. This weapon has the longest range, and it must start firing immediately after detecting a launch to maximize the number of missiles shot down. As the range closes, the beam can be focused to ever smaller spots, leading to more watts per square meter and faster penetration of the missile's armor. If we analyze the effectiveness of a laser simplistically, we would have to set the maximum penetration rate at infinity as distance closes to zero.
This is not the case in practice. A laser will take a certain amount of time to switch the beam from burning through one target to another. At very long ranges, missiles will appear close to each other, with angular separations on the order of a hundredth of a degree. Adjusting the beam can be done through the main mirror's natural adaptive optics. Even if the missiles accelerate into oblique trajectories, the time it takes to adjust the main mirror by several degrees is negligible compared to the time it takes for the beam to burn through one missile's armor.
However, at short ranges, the main mirror cannot keep this up. Switching between targets takes longer and longer as angular separation increases. Moving the main mirror starts taking longer than the time to burn through a missile. It becomes more sensible to divide the main beam through several channels and focus it through small mirrors mounted in rapidly swiveling turrets. Or is it? Let's find out.
Point defense lasers from the 2009 Star Trek movie's opening scene |
The small diameter of these 'point defense' turrets' mirrors would normally reduce their effective range greatly, but it is more than sufficient for the last 100km of a missile's trajectory.
A possible configuration would be six (one for each axis, in fore and aft positions) 60cm wide mirror using the 400nm beam of the main laser weapon, dividing the 250MW beam between them. As kinetic attacks are seldom launched from both the front and rear, four such turrets will be brought into play against the targets. They would produce 62.5MW each. Laser fire can be added to target the same missile for a full 250MW blast, or divided between four individual targets.
Penetration rates:
100km: 17.6mm/s, x4: 70.4mm/s
50km: 141mm/s
10km: 17.6m/s
1km: 17.6km/s
As you can see, penetration rates are extreme as the range closes. However, penetration rates of a few kilometers per second are only due to the pinpoint spot size the beams are concentrated to, and are neither useful nor practicable. Burning narrow holes through a missile will not force it to change its course nor reduce its penetrative power. At the end of its trajectory, the missile will have very few to no propellants remaining on-board, so it is basically inert and already set on a collision course.
Such holes would also have an extreme 'aspect ratio': the width of a hole compared to its depth. Hemispherical craters have an aspect ratio of 1. Kinetic impacts produce aspect ratios of about 20, and lasers with stabilized beams and immobile targets will reach an aspect ratio of 50 before they start scraping the walls. Tunneling through kilometers per second would need a hole of similar width.
Holes created by a pulsed laser |
Lasers traditionally aim for the smallest spot size possible. If our point defense turrets try to do the same, they will not do significant damage to the missiles. Instead, point defense lasers should increase the spot size to cover the entire missile and maximize the mass of carbon vaporized per second. If enough of the missile's armor is vaporized, it will blow it off-course at long ranges, or try to reduce it to slag at short ranges.
Laser ablation of an asteroid. |
The other option is complete destruction of the missile.
The 5kg missile mentioned in Part II of this series will mass 4.4kg after its propellant has been expended. 4.4kg of diamond-like carbon requires 37 MJ to be absorbed for it to be melted, and about 131MJ to be vaporized. The actual figure will lie closer to 131MJ, as the carbon armor is optimized for absorbing a maximum amount of laser energy before ablating, instead of conducting that energy to the rest of the missile and allow for relatively slower fusion.
A 62.5MW beam would have to focus on the target for two seconds at most. With four such beams, the target warship can destroy 20 missiles. If it takes a second to switch between missiles, the performance is reduced to 13 missiles. This number is not good. It is less than what two coil-gun launched missiles busses can deliver, and combat will involve dozens of those.
Another solution is to 'think outside of the box' and stop designing point defenses the same way the main laser weapon is designed. Instead of focusing on spot size and compensating with rapid rotation rate, we must optimize for the situation at hand.
The number of missiles destroyed can be drastically increased by using laser 'broadsides' instead of bulky turrets. These are small mirrors they are sunk into pits along the flanks of the warship. The mirrors can mechanically shift their focal point along a cone of vision and can be shuttered when not in use. They can be as small as 30 cm in diameter, and able to focus 100% of their energy on a missile at 100km (spot size 16cm) using the main laser's 400nm beam, or at 40km using the Gyrotron's 1000nm beam. A microwave beam will provide equal power on target to the optical beam up to 52km, assuming 60% VECSEL efficiency, and will output more total energy within 100km than the 400nm beam.
Broadside lasers on a warship from Gunbuster |
Kinetic PD
Even with an impressive number of megawatts, laser point defenses take time to destroy a missile. They suffer from over-heating issues, and are power limited: you cannot ramp up power output in response to emergencies. Yes, given time to cool down, they can be used again and again, indefinitely, and force a minimum 'threshold' number of missiles required to take down a warship. However, they will be defeated by 'peak' loads, and all missile combat against lasers relies on this fact.
Sea Wolf missile launching from VLS. |
The main advantage of kinetic PD over lasers is that you can launch all your defensive projectiles at once. There is no limit to the numbers you can launch, and the rate of fire is practically unlimited.
However, there are limits. Relying on Kinetic Point-Defense means that while you can fend off endless waves of missile attacks (defensive missiles can be much smaller and lighter than attack missiles, so the defending target will always carry more of them), the ammunition required will cut heavily into your offensive budget. Continuously defending is not a victory condition. Kinetics do have to stop firing periodically to reload. Their range is extremely limited, meaning it is hard to defend an adjacent spaceship and group the defensive fire the way it is possible to do with lasers.
Metal Storm's method of stacking bullets to achieve incredible rates of fire. |
THAAD-25 kinetic kill missile. |
A reactive EFP striking the missile will have even more devastating results, with energies around 35-45MJ being released.
Putting the numbers together, we get a clear picture:
-You can respond to a 1000 ton wave of missiles with only 60 tons of defensive Plate Drones in a worst case scenario (no sand, no lasers).
-Laser defenses increase the threshold for 'successful' missiles getting through the main laser defenses by another 250 tons of ordinance... per standard laser available.
-You can add a layer of reactive armor at about 400kg/m^2 to defeat missiles that slip through all previous defenses.
We can conclude that direct attack by missiles is a risky move that puts the attacker at a strict mass disadvantage. Unless there is a situation that drastically favors a kinetic attack, such as high closing velocity, it should not be attempted. Even in perfect conditions, such as seeding the missile wave with bursts of sand munitions to clear away Plate Drones or knock out reactive EFP sensors, or having a cold laser on-hand to sweep away those defenses, offensive missiles have to accelerate themselves to crossing velocities, while defensive projectiles do not.
The only solution for an equitable exchange is stealth projectiles.
We will set 100kg as the mass requirement for a 'broadside' defensive laser. A Plate Drone masses 3kg, and is launched by a 1 ton 1.5MW railgun. Reactive armor masses 400kg per square meter.
Mass Ratio and Mission dV
All the previous figures set so far allow us to work out a 'dry mass' for our baseline warship. Now, we must establish the mission that the warship is expected to perform, and from that, the deltaV is must be able to produce.
Putting the deltaV requirement and the engine's exhaust velocity together, we obtain the 'wet mass': the mass of the spaceship fully loaded with propellant.
Let's start with the Terran spaceships. As mentioned in Part I of this series, the Terran fleet is designed to project Earth's power to its colonies around the Solar System. In this case, they must be able to quickly present themselves in the Martian system, while remaining stationed around Earth. We have already worked out that Terran warships use a separate interplanetary stage with different propellant and drive characteristics from the combat stage.
The different stages of a mission (departure, combat, return ect.) require set amounts of deltaV. Putting the requirements together creates a 'deltaV budget', where instead of money, you have propellant in the tanks. Thinking of deltaV as a budget is useful, as it allows us to understand that performing an acceleration burn now will leave you will less deltaV for later, and that small savings made throughout the mission can give you a safety margin in critical moments.
DeltaV, distance and time are all interlinked. Longer distances require more deltaV for a set amount of time, while it takes longer to cross the same distance with less deltaV. Based on the objective set out in Part I of this series, we want the Terran spaceships to reach Mars in about 1 month.
Mars closest distances at various dates. In miles... |
At these velocities, we can ignore orbital movement and work with straight lines. Accelerating to 86km/s requires an equal deceleration at the destination, so a total 172km/s of deltaV is required for the outbound trip. The return trip will likely be much less urgent. Either the Terran fleet is victorious and refuels, or it loses. If it loses, it is utterly destroyed. In the rare cases where the defending fleet is too damaged to pursue, the Terran fleet will take the long way back home. Such a trip can be accomplished with a minimal Hohmann trajectory, requiring a minimum of 3km/s to a maximum of 10km/s. The total deltaV required from the interplanetary booster is 182km/s.
A Pulsed Inductive Thruster producing up to 9000Isp at 80MW/ton, or 88.3km/s exhaust velocity, was set as the propulsion for the Terran warship's interplanetary booster.
To work out the mass ratio of a spaceship with such an engine, tasked with producing a deltaV budget, we use this equation:
- Mass ratio: e^( DeltaV / Exhaust Velocity )
This means that the interplanetary stage, departing from Earth will be 84% propellant.
The combat stage needs only to spend propellant combat. Since it does not really have to go anywhere, the deltaV requirement is more a function of how many seconds of acceleration it must be capable of. The second requirement is to have a good mass ratio: too high a deltaV budget will translate into huge amounts of propellant. A warship cannot afford to have enormous, vulnerable propellant tanks. They become a weakpoint that is excessively disadvantageous to try to cover with armor, and cuts into the warship's ability to quickly dodge an incoming wave of kinetics.
A 1000 ton (dry mass) warship might dedicate 100 tons of its mass to propulsion. This will give it 100GW of propulsive power. If it uses open-cycle gas-core nuclear engines, it will produce a jet with 20km/s exhaust velocity and 8 Meganewtons of thrust.
A warship carrying 1000 tons of water propellant will be able to accelerate at a rate between 4 and 8m/s^2. If a wave of missiles is detected early, then it leisurely force the missiles to expend their 500m/s maneuvering deltaV by accelerating at a regular 5m/s^2, and it can do this for 46 minutes. If stealth missiles approach detection range, the warship can 'dump the core' by flooding the reaction chamber with water and drastically lowering exhaust velocity to gain thrust. This would snuff out the nuclear flame, and the reactor would take time to be cleared of water, injected with uranium gas and heated to critical density again.
Acceleration requirements between laser craft are situational. If the laser warships are mismatched in range and power, one side will try to escape by out-accelerating the other for as long as possible. If both believe that the difference in their maximal acceleration is too small, they will conserve propellant to be used as a heat sink, thereby lengthening the time their lasers can fire while cool and accurate.
Terran warships will usually be entering a planetary system after performing a lengthy insertion burn. They will then detach from the interplanetary stage and leave in a very high orbit. These warships must then rely on their own propellant reserves to lower themselves to a lower orbit and engage the defending forces. The transition between high and low orbit can cost upwards of 6km/s around Mars.
F-16 with drop tanks. |
For a 1000 ton warship carrying 1000 tons of water, and 40km/s exhaust velocity on Liquid Hydrogen, 6km/s of deltaV would require 283 tons of propellant.
Martian warships face a very different situation.
They are a defensive fleet, meaning that they do not ever intend to cross interplanetary distances. The Martian warships therefore do not use an interplanetary stage. Furthermore, they are defending their home territory. This means that they are supported by the full might of their orbital infrastructure: they can afford to retreat and refuel.
Martian warships using nuclear gas-core engines will be used to engage Terran warships with similar engines and performance, so they will resemble their targets. To keep Terrans within their lower weapons ranges, they need higher accelerations, so more of their dry mass is dedicated to engines. The deltaV requirements however, can be lower (500 tons of water gives 8.2km/s deltaV), as they can afford to rely on a fleet of tankers to refuel them.
Martians will use more primitive solid-core nuclear thermal rockets to intercept invaders. These have much lower exhaust velocity than gas core engines, but excel at delivering high specific power (2GW/ton or more) without requiring huge radiators. With liquid hydrogen, exhaust velocity is 8km/s, but with water, it falls to 4km/s. A maximum velocity intercept will require 16km/s: 10km/s outbound, 5km/s to fall under Mars escape velocity, and a small 1km/s to adjust their slow return to be captured by allies. This would require a mass ratio of 6 with liquid hydrogen, but the initial 10km/s can be carried in drop tanks.
A 1000 tons (dry mass) interceptor would need to carry 5000 tons in drop tanks, and 900 tons in internal tanks. They would have to rely on stealth to compensate for the lack of combat deltaV, which is facilitated by the huge amounts of cryogenic liquid it carries.
Baseline Spaceship
So, we now have all of the figures ready to put together into a baseline spaceship. Mind you, while this is a good reference to use when designing spaceships that actually fly in the setting, they are as useful as the design for a generic car: it would never provide a practicable design that might be built.
A baseline spaceship's main function is during worldbuilding, when you need to be able to tell whether your 'fast' warship is actually faster than the reference, or when your 'heavy cruiser' actually masses more than the norm. It also allows you to skip certain steps, such as working out crew requirements or electronics mass.
We'll start with 5GW.
Propulsion masses 50 tons. With an open-cycle gas core nuclear engine, it can produce 50GW of propulsive power. At 80% efficiency, this is 4 MN of thrust at 20km/s exhaust velocity. Running total: 50 tons.
The reactor produces 10GW of waste heat. 5GW is absorbed by the reactor walls. This heat is absorbed by a lithium coolant heat exchanger, and passed onto an ionized plasma and run through an MHD generator. At 30% efficiency and 10MW/ton, it masses 166 tons, generates 1.66GW and releases 3.34GW of waste heat. Running total: 216 tons.
3.34GW of waste heat can removed by 90% emissivity radiators operating at 1200K. It would require four double-sided fins of 3883m^2, massing a total of 528 tons. Running total: 744 tons.
Using water, tank mass is 1% of propellant mass or less. This is 20 tons for 2000 tons of water, with a deltaV of 13.8km/s and 2.5 hours of burn at maximum acceleration (between 1 and 2m/s^2). Running total: 764 tons.
A crew of 3 individuals is required. They expect to stay up to 3 months in a warship. They need 0.79 tons of consumables. Based on inflatable modules, living space modules will cost 3 tons but provide about 50m^3. Running total: 767.8 tons.
This warships is equipped with three wide-angle sensors and a single narrow-angle sensor. Actual designs will have different numbers based on their role in a fleet, but for now we'll dedicate 5 tons to sensors. Running total: 772.8 tons.
1.66GW of electrical energy will be divided between electrical systems, life support, heat pumps and a Gyrotron/VECSEL laser weapon. Electrical and life support consumption should be under a handful of megawatts, so can be ignored. Nonetheless, a 1 ton backup nuclear reactor at 5% efficiency can required in case the main reactor or power generators are offline. Running total: 773.8 tons.
A laser weapon has three main components: mirror, generator, heat pumps. Heat pumps are vital in reducing radiator mass.
The spaceship will use a 4m radius mirror. It will mass 2 tons, based on a 40kg/m^2 figure for adaptive optics. Two replacement mirrors add 4 tons. Running total: 779.8 tons.
1.66GW has to be shared between heat pumps, that move 1.25W of waste heat per 1W consumed, and the laser generator, that produces 0.52W of waste heat per 1W consumed. A 1.15GW laser generator produces 598MW of waste heat, which is increased from 500K to 1500K temperature by heat pumps consuming 478MW of energy.
1.15GW goes to a Gyrotron that masses 115 tons. It produces a 920MW microwave beam. A 12 ton VECSEL array converts this beam to 552MW of near-ultraviolet light. The total mass is 127 tons. Running total: 906.8 tons.
The heat pumps have a specific power of only 2MW/ton, and therefore mass 239 tons. The laser radiator has a surface area of 2278m^2, which can be divided into four double-sided fins of 284m^2. They would mass a total of 38.7 tons. Running total: 945.5 tons.
Laser point defenses will be able to use the full 920MW laser beam generated by the Gyrotron. With a 7 second range against 10km/s projectiles, it is expected to shoot down 50 missiles. This can be handled by 12 'broadside' lasers per flank, for a total of 36 tons. Running total: 981.5 tons.
Electronics add another 1% (instead of modern 3-8% figures) to this dry mass. Running total: 991.3 tons.
Internal structural components another 10% to that. Running total: 1090.4 tons.
Against a kinetics warship with 1000 tons of ammunition, this warship can expect a maximum of 100 tons of kinetic impacts coming its way. These can be dealt with by using 20 tons of plate drones. Running total: 1110.4 tons.
A warship should average about 1000kg/m^3 density in its construction. This means that 1110 tons would fit in 1110m^3. The overall shape, however, is a narrow cone of 15 degrees angle (the mirror shoots out of a dielectric mirror transparent to the specific wavelength being used). This means the internal dimensions are 39m length and 5m radius. The propellant tank is a cylinder 10m wide and 25m long.
The cone has a surface area of 712m^2. It requires laser armor and kinetic armor. Laser armor for a single-shell rotating cylinder, made to withstand 20 minutes of laser fire against 3 250MW opponents, is 460kg/m^2 of diamond-like carbon. It masses 327.5 tons. Running total: 1437.9 tons.
Kinetic armor will form three armor belts. Belt A is a 1m thick armor belt at the base of the cone, of 3m length, protects the crew, life support, backup generator and vital electronics. Belt B is a 0.4m thick armor belt, halfway up the cone, of 5m length protects the laser generator and heat pumps. Belt C is a 0.4m thick armor belt protects the nuclear engine and main power generator at the rear, of 5m length.
Belt A has an inner radius between 5.13m and 4.74m, averaging 4.94m. Outer radius is 5.94m. It has a volume of 102.5m^3 and masses 235 tons. Running total: 1672.9 tons.
Belt B has an inner radius between 3.29m and 2.63m, averaging 2.96m. Outer radius is 3.36m. It has a volume of 39.7m^3 and masses 91.3 tons. Running total: 1763.8 tons.
Belt C has an inner radius of 5m, and an outer radius of 5.4m. It has a volume of 65.3m^3 and masses 150.2 tons. Running total: 1914 tons.
We can now freely distribute 86 tons between reactive armor bricks and small systems, such as radio dishes, airlocks, maneuvering jet thrusters and so on. Running total: 2000 tons.
The Baseline Spaceship masses 2000 tons dry, 4000 tons wet. It can accelerate between 1 and 2 m/s^2 for two hours and a half. It can engage targets at 6500km (1.7mm/s carbon penetration rate) and defend itself from the full ammunition load of a direct-fire kinetics ship. It can withstand 27 minutes of laser fire from three standard 250MW lasers before sustaining damage. Its kinetic armor belts can fend off 5kg impactors, with vital areas withstanding 20kg impacts. The crew has provisions for 3 months, but can survive for much longer if it accepts to drink slightly irradiated propellant water.
In actual combat, it is a terrible ship. If it wanted to become effective at laser ranges, it will invest into larger mirrors and droplet radiators. It can defend itself against kinetic missiles that make no attempt at stealth, but actual missiles waves are a mix of direct fire, nuclear, sand and stealth warheads. Its acceleration is lower than what a solid-core nuclear thermal rocket is capable of, yet it does not invest in deltaV or liquid hydrogen propellant to beat it out in the long run.
In the next and final post of this series, we will design two actual warships.
Belt A has an inner radius between 5.13m and 4.74m, averaging 4.94m. Outer radius is 5.94m. It has a volume of 102.5m^3 and masses 235 tons. Running total: 1672.9 tons.
Belt B has an inner radius between 3.29m and 2.63m, averaging 2.96m. Outer radius is 3.36m. It has a volume of 39.7m^3 and masses 91.3 tons. Running total: 1763.8 tons.
Belt C has an inner radius of 5m, and an outer radius of 5.4m. It has a volume of 65.3m^3 and masses 150.2 tons. Running total: 1914 tons.
We can now freely distribute 86 tons between reactive armor bricks and small systems, such as radio dishes, airlocks, maneuvering jet thrusters and so on. Running total: 2000 tons.
The Baseline Spaceship masses 2000 tons dry, 4000 tons wet. It can accelerate between 1 and 2 m/s^2 for two hours and a half. It can engage targets at 6500km (1.7mm/s carbon penetration rate) and defend itself from the full ammunition load of a direct-fire kinetics ship. It can withstand 27 minutes of laser fire from three standard 250MW lasers before sustaining damage. Its kinetic armor belts can fend off 5kg impactors, with vital areas withstanding 20kg impacts. The crew has provisions for 3 months, but can survive for much longer if it accepts to drink slightly irradiated propellant water.
In actual combat, it is a terrible ship. If it wanted to become effective at laser ranges, it will invest into larger mirrors and droplet radiators. It can defend itself against kinetic missiles that make no attempt at stealth, but actual missiles waves are a mix of direct fire, nuclear, sand and stealth warheads. Its acceleration is lower than what a solid-core nuclear thermal rocket is capable of, yet it does not invest in deltaV or liquid hydrogen propellant to beat it out in the long run.
In the next and final post of this series, we will design two actual warships.
Next time, it'll be with to-scale diagrams and more details. I'll be back in 3 weeks.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your work, it seems you put a lot of effort into this blog, thank you!
Delete:)
DeleteLooking at the overall site, I see the possibility that space warfare will be even stranger than expected.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the idea of long range laser webs, these will most likely be developed for commercial space travel to boost ships or decelerate them, so the requirement for a self contained high ISP "boost stage" for warships is certainly reduced, if not eliminated (a warship with a laser boost stage could carry huge "drop tanks" to engage the main engine should the laser web be interrupted somehow). Of course, with a laser web of that much power, the idea of an independent ship or constellation is a bit moot anyway (which was discussed in the comments on another thread).
In worldbuildign terms, this implies there might be 3 major polities in the Solar System in time, a "Solar economy" from Mercury to Mars, powered by abundant solar energy; a Jovian system utilizing the energy resources of the Jovian Magnetosphere and the physical resources of the 687 Jovian moons and thousands of Trojan asteroids, as well as a Deep Space zone powered by the abundant 3He mined from the atmosphere of Uranus. This sets up three polities and independent economies which can come into conflict, three sets of laser webs, three independent "traffic control zones" and so on.
If ships are being accelerated by a booster stage (of any sort), then one obvious tactic would be to attach missile busses to the booster as well. At the end of the acceleration stage or any time between then and the deceleration stage, the busses detach and deliver high speed projectiles to the target zone. They will be moving far faster than the incoming constellation and can be targeted at the logistical infrastructure of the enemy. In your example, the Martian space fleet depends on refuelling and rapid support to rearm. A swarm of missiles or kinetic energy impactors moving at interplanetary speed times at Martian space stations, the moons of Mars and Martian surface targets would either demand the full capabilities of the marital space fleet to stop or hammer the Martians to the point they have no effective defense against the Earth constellation. Releasing several waves of these missiles (end of boost, once during the cruise phase and just before deceleration) would certainly tax the abilities of the Martians even further.
Finally, even though the thrust of the site is hard SF and working out the details of spaceflight, space combat and so on, it seems to me that the sheer expense of such an exercise would make actual space combat very rare. The space warships might be like the two great Dreadnaught fleets of WWI sitting in their heavily protected bases in Scapa Flow and Heligoland, while the "real" action takes place elsewhere. There is also the possibility that warfare will be conducted on entirely different principles. The Russian activities in Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine suggest that a very high proportion of the action is either "unconventional" military actions or PSYOPS and economic activities designed to weaken and unhinge the opposition (this is known as Hybrid Warfare Doctrine by the Russians). The Americans have been dealing with extended insurgencies coupled to active political and PSYOPS campaigns as well, sometimes referred to as "4GW" (Fourth Generation Warfare).
Looking forward to seeing the next instalment.
Excellent points. You don't mention it, but you've fulfilled the actual objective of this blog: to encourage authors to strike up SF settings with a scientific basis.
DeleteFor example, you mention laser webs. I only thought of them as power sources for propulsion, doubling as interplanetary weapons. After reading your comment, I am reminded that the mirror drones themselves are mobile, so warfare could be conducted by shooting off parts of the laser web into its opponent's web.
With how flexible the distribution of power is when laser webs are involved, even interplanetary speeds won't save missiles from instant destruction.
Instead, building into your 'side show warfare' comment, warfare in space woukd resemble two fortresses facing each other, while small forces heavily reliant on stealth, diveraion and distribution slip through the defenses and attack the generators. Their sabotage work could be used in conjunction with stealth missile strikes with multi-year transits.
We might even develop this into a cyberpunk setting, with teams of hackers trying to blackout the laser web for a few crucial seconds, to allow a stealth missile to slip through undetected and wipe out a generator...
Too bad you can't edit. IT seems my "67 moons" multiplied dramatically somehow....
ReplyDeleteLaser webs are massive endeavours. They might be abandoned early on if small-scale fusion propulsion becomes more effective. This would revert warfare to more conventional forms.
DeleteAre you Thucydides from Rocketpunk Manifesto?
MB:
DeleteI have been thinking over the concept of laser webs a bit more, and another problem with your 100m mirrors occured to me. In the same way that sloped armour increases the surface area of the laser spot, the receiving area of the mirror required to reflect the beam is also going to be significantly increased.
Unless you want to destroy the emitter (which actually might be a better use of a laser mirror, as a defensive measure... if you could get one to survive long enough), you will be forced to relect the laser at an angle off the incident. This results in 2 options: you can either reflect the beam at low angles, minimising the required mirror size (to capture all the laser energy or to minimise energy losses), increasing the required travel distance significantly, and thus the number of relay mirrors; or, you will have to increase at least one dimension of the mirror significantly, adding mass, and the difficulty of angling the mirror precisely. This is assuming that you have significant control over the incident angle, which might not be all that likely, given that the mirrors will be in varied orbits.
I would suggest some kind of lens system, although even there you will probably have to use oversized lenses in order to collect and focus the maximum beam energy. This, however, assumes that you can effectively protect the lens, which might be rather more difficult without a backing plate to support waste heat control.
Thanks for the heads up. It's an issue I never really considered, to be honest.
DeleteAt 30 degrees off-center, 30% of the beam's energy is flying off into space. However, I think this is mostly for the combat mirror at the end of a laser web's chain of transmission, and not for the numerous intermediate mirrors that provide thousands of possible beam paths.
I don't really have a solution for it right now, but I am looking into extremely lightweight mirrors that will allow for very large radii. The main focus is on disposable surfaces: fluids, plasma, thin-sheet metals. The laser operates on timescales so short that the heat absorbed by the reflective material does not have time to create significant deformation. At the speed of sound, a shockwave in aluminium moves 6 micrometers in 1 nanosecond.
These disposable nanosecond mirrors are replaced after each laser pulse.
Yes, intermediary mirrors will be affected by this problem. The problem with the intermediary mirrors is that it is not possible to fix their positions relative to one another (without expending incredible amounts of propellant), thus their respective angles of incidence will change considerably, even for relatively "fixed" relay paths ("fixed" in the sence that the same mirrors are being "targeted" for relay). The alternative is to have so many mirrors in each orbit that when one moves out of alignment, the next moves in... but this is not practical in real-world situations.
DeleteYes I am.
ReplyDeleteRocketpunk Manifesto certainly developed a lot of ideas, but there are always more things to explore ;-)
I am thinking along the lines of how 4GW would be conducted in an interplanetary environment, which is very interesting, but depends a lot on the assumptions you make. The definition I go with is:
"Fourth-generation warfare (4GW) uses all available networks — political, economic, social, and military — to convince the enemy’s political decision makers that their strategic goals are either unachievable or too costly for the perceived benefit. It is an evolved form of insurgency. Still rooted in the fundamental precept that superior political will, when properly employed, can defeat greater economic and military power, 4GW makes use of society’s networks to carry on its fight. Unlike previous generations of warfare, it does not attempt to win by defeating the enemy’s military forces. Instead, via the networks, it directly attacks the minds of enemy decision makers to destroy the enemy’s political will. Fourth-generation wars are lengthy — measured in decades rather than months or years."
Hybrid Warfare the way the Russians practice it involves the threat of military force (the constant "snap exercises along the borders of the Baltic States or the buildup of forces on the border of Eastern Ukraine) as well as the occasional use of conventional forces (tanks and artillery to ensure "Novorossiyan" forces can achieve their objectives).
So integrating that sort of thinking into potential conflicts between polities in space is an interesting exercise.
Hopefully, you will be the first of many commentors from Rocketpunk Manifesto to reach this blog.
DeleteI'm preparing a 'society of the future' post, describing how continuously deeper integration of data technology into our day-to-day lives will affect our relationships and interactions with machines and people... and following your 4GW comment, I will add a section that deals with how future warfare and society affect each other.
I was going to keep away from hard sf sites for a bit due to a need to work on more plausible concepts, but this convo here reminded me of a game I saw many years ago. Lo and behold and article on it came up so I thought I'd post it here.
DeleteIts not really a hard sf game, but it might nonetheless be of interest. Lot's of subterfuge and quasi-warfare.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/09/08/fragile-allegiance-pc-review/
I'll read up on that game.
DeleteMind dropping a few keywords on your projects here? I define hard sf as anything with realism at heart, while Tough SF is anything sufficiently plausible.
I'm sure whatever you've got going on will fall into that spectrum :)
I would like to point out one minor error from the first paragraph: your statement that there is no point defence in space is quite false. I think the error comes from a misunderstanding of what "point defence" actually is. Any resource that has the sole purpose of defending a single asset (such as a building or vessel) is point defence (essentially, you are defending a "point" of arbitrary size). This is in contrast to more flexible resources designed to defend any one, or any number, of assets under threat within a defensive zone.
ReplyDeleteAs a working example, an intercept craft charged with defending a single aircraft carrier would be considered as point defence. A close combat support craft, even if exactly the same kind of craft as the interceptor (rare), charged with defending any front line troops under threat would NOT be considered as point defence.
You're quite right. I keep associating 'point defense' with the notion of 'point blank range', which is only valid in a fluid environment.
DeleteEven the assumption that there will be no "point blank" range combat s dangerous. Following the korean "war" ("police action"), aircraft designers assumed that AAMs would preclude any "dogfight" combat ranges, and, thus, did not include any guns in their aircraft designs. Once these aircraft entered into combat in Vietnam, they suffered horrible attrition rates (compared to previous combat performance). Subsequently, gun pods where designed, built, and installed on these aircraft, and (virtually, at least) all aircraft designs since have included built in guns.
DeleteI guess there will be fights that break out when ships are only a few kilometers from each other... but it would be a -shoot first to live- situation? Lasers will cut through ships, kinetics reach their targets in tenths of seconds... a massacre.
DeleteI don't think space warship designers would build for this sort of possibility unless the countermeasures were very cheap.
Actually, this is why you will ALWAYS have some kind of fighter craft equivalent.
DeleteThat said, military vessels are ALWAYS highly compartmentalised. YES, lasers will cut right through ships... again and again and again. But mounted (and unmounted) weapons platforms will be located at several positions around the vessel... relatively autonymous from one another, and quite able to deliver punishment even when the vessel is burning. They will continue fighting, even when they are "dead in the water"; and even when the main, secondary, and tertiary batteries have ALL finally been destroyed, the ships will continue to fight so long as there are crew in their spacesuits armed with the future equivalents of shoulder-mount hellfires and sidewinders.
ALL military designers plan for this eventuality.
Another problem with laser targetting is "placement" control. Corrections at range can be made very quickly... but corrections smaller than increments of dozens, hundreds, and perhaps even thousands of meters might be impossible. This leads to a system that frantically tries to correct an error, while the beam dashes from side to side.
ReplyDeleteThen there is the problem with the assertion that the missiles will be under fire from the main weapon. This is highly unlikely, first, because their will be many missiles, not to meantion many ships, that will require a weapon's attention. The main weapon will be more concerned with the larger enemy weapon platforms (in the attempt to prevent future weapon launches). Second, as I said, it will be virtually impossible for the main weapon to make precise enough targetting corrections against missiles. Third, at range, missiles with any stealth features would be extremely difficult to detect, let alone target. Fourth, attempting to lock a beam onto a missile will result in significant wastes of valuable energy.
Modern telescopes with ACTIVE optics can change the surface of the mirror quickly enough to counter atmospheric disturbances as they happen.
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Up to 100 corrections per second. A discussion with Luke Campbell (resident lasers expert) established that at the expected range lasers operate at (1000 to 100000km), side-to-side motion is minimal but focal distance can vary by up to 100-1000km...
However, as the beam tapers to a spot and expands again gradually, the loss of focus is minimal.
At the ranges missiles are launched at, the separation between missiles in degrees, and their movement in degrees per second, is very small. So, the main weapon can be expected to target and focus a majority of its beam on the missiles for most of their flight.
However, I agree, as they get closer, angular velocity increases rapidly and turrets have to be used. They are equipped with smaller mirrors, but the smaller distances compensates for this exponentially.
Missiles with stealth features are only effective if fired on an un-aware target, or mixed in with a large number of regular missiles. This is because active detection focus on a narrow window in space (where they are launched from) can force the detection of any stealth missile, either by shining an UV light on it, inducing x-ray fluorescence, strong RADAR or simply by overloading whatever cooling system is keeping it stealthy.
Such active detection wouldn't be in play if you need to divert all power to shooting down the visible targets, or if you have no reason to pump empty space with x-rays.
Speed is not the issue here. Speed will not accomplish anything without precision. You might be able to have precision, and you might be able to have speed, but combining speed AND precision can be a significant challenge.
DeleteTarget movement is minute at extreme distances, but so is tolerance of error in targeting. At about 200 km, a single arc second of deviation will produce an error of 1 m off target. At 200 000 km a single arc MILLIsecond of deviation will produce the same error. At longer ranges, precision is virtually impossible, especially when even 1 second (or about 7/10 sec at 200 000 km) of information lag can lead to several kilometers of uncertainty in displacement.
Please note that active detection at large ranges requires a hell of a lot of energy. Don't forget that the energy can not only be absorbed in the same manner as sunlight (and that overloading absorbtion can take lots of time), but that the direction of energy return can be managed to decrease signal. Also, don't forget that it is not the energy flux that is important to detection, but the photon flux.
In any case, missile or craft targeting at extreme distance poses a significant challenge whether the target is utilising stealth measures or not. Stealth just makes it more difficult.
>In any case, missile or craft targeting at extreme distance poses a significant challenge whether the target is utilising stealth measures or not. Stealth just makes it more difficult.
DeleteI agree, and this is great for any setting that doesn't want to be dominated by pure laser platforms, but I must consider the fact that some telescopes are rated at micro-arc second levels of accuracy.
http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1242240
For a reasonable sized laser, we already have the technology to keep the wobble within the diameter of the laser spot.
A telescope is NOT a laser emitter. Yes, it is possible to build telscopes with sufficient resolution to extract fine detail (although this requires interferometry with 1000+km baselines, AND extreme sensitivity at ranges over 1 AU... of course, in this case, I am talking about "fine detail" in terms of linear distance, not angular measurement). But we are not discussing resolution here.
DeleteTo give you an idea of how much control you need over your mirrors: if you have a mirror with a 1m baseline, a 5nm wobble on a single side will produce the milli-arc-second of error. Now, assume that the target is at 200 000 km, and is moving at a rate that requires approximately 5 arcsecond/sec deflection. This means that the mirror needs to be tilted at approximately 25 microns/s... but if this adjustment rate is off by just 5nm, you will no longer be hitting the target (assuming a fairly small target... say less than 2m across).
What I meant with my last statement is that, considering something like a 2m diameter mirror focusing blue light, the spot size at 200000km is 97.6m! Its very easy to maintain the laser within the spot size circle.
DeleteEven something long-ranged, such as a 10m wide mirror focusing a 150nm UV laser, spot size is still 7.32m wide!
OOOOkkaaaaayyy... got it. At the ranges I am talking about, it really doesn't matter that the beam placement is imprecise (unless, perhaps, if you have a 100m mirror, which will be even more difficult to manage with precision), because you will easily be able to defeat even multi-GJ lasers with a simple block of ice.
DeleteWell... okay... a metre thick block of ice covering all important parts.
I have pointed this out in a previous section, but the 20 000 m/s limit on exhaust velocity for gas core reactors assumes 100% regeneration. That is, ALL the waste heat going into the core walls is being absorbed by the propellant before being fed into the core itself. Thus, no radiators are required.
ReplyDeleteEstimates for exhaust velocities when regenrative cooling is coupled with radiator cooling extend up to 80 000 m/s.
We can still have rapid firing guns and such thinking it relys mostly on just EFP is kinda eh I mean it's a really effective still having Railguns or coilguns as point defense would be something though it make more sense to have a Cased telescoped round that uses liquid propellant that is ignited by a plasma igector or well a ETC gun to fire at speeds higher than 4 Km/s Plus still if I remember the higher the energy input of the ETC gun the higher the velocities
ReplyDeleteCorrect if I am wrong on that last part but I think that is true
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